Who Profits From Filipino Voices?

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1. Solid Pinoy on September 4th, 2008 7:08 pm

   You see GMA and her minions are monitoring this site. Eventually, our powerful arguements will wear them down and they will simply resign out of guilt and shame. Keep blogging people! Soon, we will conquer the world!!!

2. RJ on September 4th, 2008 7:23 pm

   There’s also the responsibility to write not for the sake of writing “intellectual”, but more on educating and propagating the truth so that people would rouse from their stupor and create history.

   educating (the average Filipino reader like myself) and propagating the truth — i guess that is what FV should be all about aside from being a venue for intense/passionate intellectual debates that bring out the best in the writers/bloggers..

   FV is a daily read for me and i benefit from learning and seeing relevant issues from the different perspectives of FV’s distinguished writers/bloggers. and now that MSM is taking notice, readers like me expect FV to get even better by the day..

3. Marocharim on September 4th, 2008 7:24 pm

   @ solid pinoy:

   really? hi, madam president! (and all this time we forgot to say hi? man…)

   @ pat:

   i certainly hope so.

4. Patricio Mangubat on September 4th, 2008 7:56 pm

   I know this sounds stupid…but what is MSM? Sorry, I’m still not that tech savvy.

5. Dean Jorge Bocobo on September 4th, 2008 8:11 pm

   Patricio,

   Oye Como Va?

   The more ilustrados, the better, I say.

   Vanguard Revolucionarios? I guess they are welcome too, along with the Guardia Civil, if any.

   As for profits from the growing googol of hits and views, the Deal is, any blogger who quits writing at FV, we split your gear and take your share of the trillions of dollars in click ad revenue that I guess, Nick has been keeping a secret from everybody.

   Fez up Nick! What about them big fat profits from all those evil ilustrados? You holding back on us peasants and workers or something?

6. cvj on September 4th, 2008 8:33 pm

   Who is funding the revolution?

7. cocoy on September 4th, 2008 8:39 pm

   @Patrico Mangubat MSM is Mainstream Media

8. Philman on September 4th, 2008 10:12 pm

   Who profits from FV?

   Both sides of the e-podium. Pundits, after plaudits, wishing to rekindle their fiery radical youth; the old adage ‘the pen-is mightier than the sword.’

   Young bloggers wanting to test fresh ideas with the wisdom of age.

   Commenters like me who get their five kilobyte of space.

   But no prelude to revolution. Too many thinkers, so few doers.

9. Bencard on September 4th, 2008 11:45 pm

   solidpinoy @ 7:08 pm, over my old clunker of a computer.

   patricio, is it really the “truth” or your subjective perception of truth? responsible writers should support every claim of truth with irrefutable facts, or else point out, in no uncertain terms, what they are peddling is no more than a rant, conjecture or speculation. education is not disinformation or indoctrination. it’s not the foisting of one’s belief on another person through unproven assertions.

10. danilo u. ignacio on September 5th, 2008 9:59 am

    “In the first Katipunan revolution, the collective voice of the genuine revolutionaries was hijacked by illustrados whose interests lie in preserving their lands.” Exactly ‘Nong Pat, and illustrados that time were hardly seen in the battlefront when the revolution, tragically though, had called ultimately for a physical struggle.

11. Dean Jorge Bocobo on September 5th, 2008 10:34 am

    Request to Gat Danilo U. Ignacio,
    Just curious. Can you name one “genuine revolutionary” who was NOT an ilustrado? And one ilustrado Katipunero who was not a “genuine revolutionary”?

12. danilo u. ignacio on September 5th, 2008 11:03 am

    with “due” respect to DJB, i pressume you have read, let alone know, more than i do. just re-read between the lines of history sir, without applying thereby any laws of physics in that process.

13. Dean Jorge Bocobo on September 5th, 2008 11:35 am

    Aw c’mon DUI, this isn’t about physics. I’m just curious about these genuine revolucionarios you and patricio have referred to. We would not want the Filipino People to be honoring FAKE revolucionarios who are “only trying to save their land”. Now how is that different from the Bangsamoro who want their own homeland? What’s so bad about that?

    What exactly do you guyz have against the Ilustrado Katipuneros?

    Like for example Andres Bonifacio, who was not a great plebeian as his modern detractors have made him out to be. He was a general manager of a warehouse, who wrote pretty Spanish poetry to his inamoratas. He was the Great Bodegero.

    I suggest you read THE lines of history, not just between them, Sir!

14. Dean Jorge Bocobo on September 5th, 2008 11:46 am

    I suppose Gat Ignacio and Gat Mangubat also consider Jose Rizal himself–the Great First Ilustrado of the Filipinos–to be a fake revolutionary along with Emilio Aguinaldo, Apolinario Mabini, Marcelo H. del Pilar, and their compatriots — all ilustrados — all fake revolutionaries!

    Not like here at Filipino Voices, home of the “genuine revolutionaries” who seem to have forgotten the name(s) of their true heroes.

    Why?

15. danilo u. ignacio on September 5th, 2008 1:38 pm

    you know sir DJB, you want us to think the way you do, and that’s completely unjust! you yourself now mentioned names of “Filipino heroes” you want me to enumerate for you to give way to your wish. This but only reveals your being defensive from any assertion of hypothetical offensives that only you can perceive thence attribute to anyone here, like me. but as Bangsamoro we have nothing to do with them. Of course, I for one recognize any illustrious and exemplary sacrifices these Filipino patriots made. With regards to judging their intentions while joining the revolutionary rank, that’s beyond human faculty. Of course, intentions are sometimes or most of the time, judged according to corresponding actions. Now if Filipinos glorify them, then let them be; let them receive their respective due. Nonetheless and in fairness, I also can not disregard my history background during elementary that Bonifacio, as my teacher told, derived inspiration from Rizal works. But when the time has been ripe for Bonifacio that the “people’s revolution” i.e. this national sentiment must now be publicized, defiance to Spanish authority must now be outright, Rizal departed away with his reform movement which in reality accommodated, let alone acknowledged, Spanish authority provided the natives (he called Filipinos) must be accorded with their rights (that was impossible for the Spaniards to give) Now, just a hypothetical question: had Bonifacio been moved by Rizal’s warning and did he heed him not to move the natives into full-blown revolution because it’s a “waste of lives”, let alone “evil.” shall the “Filipino nation” be born as it is today? Or, was Gat Bonifacio been dead in a conspired summary execution that time? Pray help me remember.

16. Dean Jorge Bocobo on September 5th, 2008 2:06 pm

    DUI,
    But of course I want you to think as I do and to agree with me. Why else would I blog?? How can that be unjust when at the same time, I have no power to coerce you into any unwilling agreement.

    If I am successful, reasonable and persuasive enough, you will do that all by your own Free Will.

17. Patricio Mangubat on September 5th, 2008 9:16 pm

    well, solidpinoy, responsible writers, especially opinion writers, do write articles based on facts. and this entry was written in that vein. Since the nature of the entry is that of an opinion, it is based surely on perception. truth, as we know it, is relative. hence, pointless would be for me to lengthen the entry when all of us at FV know what I’m talking about.

    what this entry is trying to say is this–we can all write what we want. we can write everything our hearts desire. but, since FV was founded, I believe, in the presumption that it should be more expository than a news site, we should all be reminded of our social responsibility to our readers. That social responsibility includes reflecting what the Filipino wants voiced. Who profits from FV just means that we must always think of writing pieces that advocate a piece of Philippine reality. Surely, you know, we can’t claim to write articles that reflect all of reality, right? Krippendorpf says every truth is just one lily in a field of lilies. that lily may or may not really reflect what the collective thinks, but, at least it is what the writer thinks. and the individual is very much important in the collective.

    and that leads us to the main value of FV—it distills that perception thru constant debates, like what we are doing now. you may not agree with me, but I welcome it since it is the essence of the site–democracy. if you say education is not conjecture nor indoctrination, yes, probably, it is. anybody can say that, but some would probably argue that it could be indoctrination also. these kinds of exchanges separates FV from any other site. you test the mettle of what you believe by sending it over here. let the members of FV scrutinize it, shatter it to pieces, but by the end of the day, someone over here will reconstruct it.

    that, my friend, is what I am talking about. FV is not pursuing one cause nor interest, only the interest of the one class that it intends to animate–the Filipino People. Why are we writing all of these social commentary if not for our desire to contribute towards the collective good? If our interest is merely to pursue our individual thirst for recognition, then, our pieces are worthless. we write so that others may probably think about what’s happening and try to find out if what we wrote is the truth or a falsity. If it’s the truth and they embrace it, we already did our jobs. If what they found out is a falsity, then, they’re welcome to write a comment about it and still we did our jobs.

    the job of a writer, for me, is this—extend his self in service of others. this I hope is also what others over at FV thinks or believes in. surely, I believe that they all do. that’s why i’m in good company. or, if some thinks otherwise, then, make their case known over at FV and again, someone, somehow, will break it into pieces and reconstruct it, somehow.

18. Patricio Mangubat on September 5th, 2008 9:19 pm

    by the way, what’s this talk about “genuine” and “fake” revolutionaries? Hehehe. That was just an example, a convention so to speak to lead to the main point.

    anyway, history has all the answers.

19. Philman on September 5th, 2008 9:45 pm

    There is a German phrase “Sein nicht so ernstlich,” the literal translation of which is don’t take it too seriously.

    Well yes, the interaction of blogger’s views with commenters’ counterpoints should be informative and assist in shaping an informed opinion of readers. But people should not lose of the fun part.

    As a commenter over at Manolo’s would have it: “Para lang tayong nakukuwentuhan dito” Hopefully, hindi naman usapang lasing.

20. The Jester-in-Exile on September 5th, 2008 9:56 pm

    says who that there isn’t any drinking going on, philman?

21. retsytomaquin on September 6th, 2008 2:16 am

    Patricio:
    In your article presented [Who Profits From Filipino Voices?]I am one of the ordinary person who expressed my inner ideas regarding the current Philippine situation. I was confident then in commenting the different articles in the FV. As a citizen in this country, I deem that this is part of my Social responsibility. In the article, you adhere the notion that FV formed the mental aspiration of the Filipinos and you presented it merely as an opinion. I do value your opinion, in that I agree with you. There is only one thing that made me a little Hisitant in commenting varied articles presented by the brillant BLoggers due to a certain fact that some of this Bloggers are coming from Middle classes & perhaps elite classes in the context of Phil. Social Strata. It is hard for a an ordinary person like me to contribute ideas, but I manage to be involved. I am not a journalist by profession but in every comments that I made in Past articles, I considered it a challenge just to be part in this site, So that my opinions will echo & principally the readers of the FV can find justification through participative opinions. Thus, Social Stratification is a manifestation of different perception in life. However, I find them highly intellectual. Totally, the concept of Public Opinion is already formed when the majority share a common view pertaining to an issue. In this present time the role of Public Opinion in a Democratic Society is one way in analyzing social behavior of Man. To sum it up this site[FV] contributed one hundred percent[100%]in drawing collaborative opinion that might lead to action.
    It is certain that writing is so Influential in making the whole archipelago United. Towards expressing our ideas in this site[FV]the whole country is awakened!
    Since, you mentioned about the Propaganda movement & The Katipunan as part of our Historiography. Let, me share my opinion, The Propaganda Movement & the Katipunan sprung due to NATIONALISM spirit of the Filipinos & As we all know, Nationalism is devotion to one’s country. In this present scenario of the Philippines with the aid of Filipino Voices, It is definite that it will be possible that thousands of Filipinos will be solidified & stand for what is right & stand for a cause!

    Lastly, I want to reiterate that I am not member of any Press, I am not as brillant as Sir DJB, Thus my English language is only plain & simple as presented to what I have written.

    I am thankful to you Patricio for such article! Wala tlaga ako plano mag comment ngunit ng nabasa ko yong feed article I really find it interesting. Mas marami pang mga Filipinos in whatever Social Strata will present their views & participate in the FV.

22. Bencard on September 6th, 2008 2:19 am

    and what is your definition of “facts”, patricio mangubat?

    btw, i believe you were addressing my post @ 11:45 pm (not solidpinoy’s), weren’t you?

23. retsytomaquin on September 6th, 2008 2:21 am

    its better for me to rest, wla pa ako tulog. di na ako marunong magsulat.hehe……..

24. Danilo U. Ignacio on September 6th, 2008 11:47 am

    With due respect to all, it is my opinion that some if not most people blog in order to impose their system of looking things going around that shape our society. Our friend DJB must have been honestly practical when he told me “But of course I want you to think as I do and to agree with me. Why else would I blog??… Then went to say, “If I am successful, reasonable and persuasive enough, you will do that all by your own Free Will.” To me this is just fair. In the meantime, I have also this feeling of “discretion check” perhaps in my self how do I have the gut to disagree with him despite his deep wisdom. But wisdom is never persistence to personal claims. To me, our right to press or freedom of expression guaranteed in fundamental laws never permit us to go beyond immoral bounds nor leave the ethical parameters of scholarship and tarnish the reputation of journalism. Such right does not permit us to monopolize the claim for truth so that what others might say especially when it differs from ours shall be brushed aside as wrong. Issues are critical so that we do not only get the pros and cons sides of them. These could be transformative and could help provide healing repairs to social damages affecting relations of everyone when these are presented with due sensitivity. As such, our freedom of expression, to me, is coupled with reciprocal responsibility to verify whether what we unleash as “truth” for us might be “untruth” to others. I believe “truth” is always objective - it just becomes subjective when our way of expressing and carrying it out is colored by our personal biases against others. As such again, that freedom of expression does not accord us persistence to our perceptions when proven false eventually in the end; it does not accord us the liberty, despite its falsity, to perpetuate its falsehood especially when such things we believe in as “truth” are quoted out of context of the real issue or emanates from sources whose venue for proof, let alone reproof, is so remote to go after, or when these streams from deep-seated prejudice towards others whom we hardly know i.e. we judge others by the first sight of them, or by the miscreants of some of their kind which does not in reality apply to them all. In the world we live in, we are exposed to the reality of differences; yet being different is socially healthy when we always observe the human way to “agree to disagree.” Therefore, our freedom of expression holds us accountable to continuously seek for truth and rectify errors we hold on in the past which we used to judge others. This is the requirement of our dehumanized humanity today. Bloggers all the time invoke this right. Yet as they, (whose supposed role is to repair damages to social relations due to disinformation and misinformation of people by their circumstances in the past and eventually reconstruct our society thence rebuild the community of human specie as God wants us to be) must all the time open to differences of opinions and worldviews. Though it’s not easy not to take sides all the time but bloggs therefore must not be a mouthpiece of hate campaigns and prejudice propaganda cloaked in well-researched rhetorical arguments and semantic gymnastics. “Adversarial discussions” says another local journalist Pat is but dignified when it aims to seek truth in the end as “truth shall set us free” says a Biblical quote. We have to help one another rebuild the world we dream about, says one of my professors. (A world despite its cultural diversity and multi-ethnicity is still united by the common humanity of its inhabitants). I stand corrected.

25. Danilo U. Ignacio on September 6th, 2008 12:08 pm

    As such, theres is a necessity for FV to be strong to build a strong public opinion and effect change in the society. Supposed to be, it must be one of the bases of every public policy which aims ultimately for the general welfare. unfortunately, most of the policy-makers are elites, elite puppets or with elite mentality who do not hold nor honor the opinion of the public they represent. What is going on here in the Philippines are but by-products of faulty policies. Philippine policies cooked in the senate and congress do not reflect in anyway the FV i.e. Filipino Voices but only the FV i.e. Few Voices. Policy-makers therefore do not embody what FV wants to be. The same goes through with respect to the Bangsamoro. Corrupt elite Moro politicians are exploited by the government to exploit their own people. Policy-makers instead pit one people against another in these Islands.

26. Ding G. Gagelonia on September 6th, 2008 7:29 pm

    From where is writer sits, and blogs, it is not so much as to try to impose my view and have people adopt them.

    This whole exercise called communication, human communication, to be precise is about ‘communing’, about making ourselves understood as to understand and learn from others in the to and from of ideas. We are in the ‘marketplace of ideas’, aren’t we all.

    Otherwise, the Internet itself, and the eyeball count, the clicks, visits and read would all be meaningless.

    It’s about having our common, and not too common, thoughts resonate.

27. Bencard on September 6th, 2008 11:44 pm

    ding, while we may have a free “marketplace of ideas, bogus and fradulent assertions, like fake merchandise, should have no place in it. “journalists” and alternative media practitioners, aka, bloggers, should be responsible and careful enough not to peddle nmalicious gossips as “truth”. the least they could do is identify their report for what they are - unsubstantiated claims. such kind of “communicat(ors)” are a menace to society because they have a tendency to be believed by the unsophisticated and the gullible. i believe that a truly free market of ideas can only flourish in an educated, discerning, and questioning kind of society, which can undetake its own reality check without the influence and control of big brother mnedia or big brother government.

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