Tossing a Quick Discussion Into the Fray: How Can You Trust Government If…

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1. cvj on October 24th, 2008 3:30 pm

   Sad to say that what HPoS and Liam manifests is a common mindset among those in government, i.e. that they should be held to a different standard. It’s a combination of an attitude of paternalism and elitism which gives them such a sense of entitlement. Over at Manolo’s, i had a discussion with Rob Ramos, who is affiliated with the Liberal party and is btw also an Atenean, where he explained the concept of an information elite, and how the end justifies the means.

2. Jon Limjap on October 24th, 2008 6:03 pm

   Well, paternalism, elitism and entitlement typically leads to a whole stinking pile of argumentum ad vericundiam. It has nowhere to go.

3. Philman on October 24th, 2008 8:37 pm

   People should not generalize about corruption by government officials. We all know there are levels of government (national, provincial, and local), different bureaucracies (permits/licenses issuers, revenue collection, etc) and law enforcement and regulation.

   To say that most government officials are corrupt is unjust, unfair, and uninformed.

   There are honest and hard-working individuals in government as there are corruptors and influence peddlers in the private sector.

   The other side of the story is Sulpicio Lines, ZTE, etc.

4. thenashman on October 25th, 2008 1:48 am

   “To say that most government officials are corrupt is unjust, unfair, and uninformed. There are honest and hard-working individuals in government…”

   TRUE.

   Sadly, the minority 17.1% who make the government look bad are in the TOP policy and decision making echelons. (With turon merienda.)

   Remember that civil servant, honest and hardworking, who made a presentation to dear leader GMA about our shortage of classrooms. What did GMA do? Increase the student per classroom allocation, thus, solving the problem with her astute economics skills honed at The Assumption.

5. leytenian on October 25th, 2008 5:43 am

   “To say that most government officials are corrupt is unjust, unfair, and uninformed.”

   Oh well,the numbers are showing it’s going downhill. The result of governance is not what people need and want. Philippines is one of the most corrupt. High unemployment rate and income inequality are all facts but it is manageable.

   For those leaders who are good, People can only give you credits if you turn things around. It is best to duplicate your leadership and recruit others who share your values, work ethics and make positive use of our culture. Right now, there are only few of you. It’s not enough.

   How can the people of the Philippines create good team leaders? How come there are only few here?

6. Patricio Mangubat on October 25th, 2008 8:32 am

   i agree leytenian,

   government can actually regain the trust of the people if they do things right. as what I commented in lian, some government officials especially the elected ones do things wrong with a price. when you do things right in this country, chances are, you’ll not get anything. when you go to the opposite direction, like what Gloria and her minions are doing, you’ll get a mining deal (like what Mike Defensor got), a ZTE contract (read: DOTC officials) or simply get monthly takes for every transaction.

   that’s the rationale behind some NGO’s trying to penetrate government so that the People’s Agenda would at least be heard and given priority. however, government officials tend to shun these suggestions because, again, doing the right thing does’nt cost much.

   we need a systems and personnel overhaul.otherwise, we might stay staid in the long time.

7. Karl Garcia on October 25th, 2008 10:29 am

   Some citizens are doing there part in help moderating the greed.

   Like in infrastructure.
   The procurement law was supposed to level the playing field.
   What happens is that there is collusion and the winning bidder has to pay the losing bidders.
   The project team that handles highways always computes it wrongly and make everyone bid on a ridiculously high costs. The lowest bidders are supposed to get the project for supposedly more savings to the advantage of our government.
   The end result unfinished or mediocre projects.
   We can see it with our own eyes.

   let us say the project costs two hundred million and they offer an invitation to bidders with a price of 110 million, how can you proceed cleanly with that.

   That is for locally funded
   What about the ODA, there is no way to dictate to those creditors on how we should pay them, and tell them that even foreign funded funds must undergo the bidding process, what happens is they are the ones who choose everything including consultants which doubles the price of the project because their appearance fee is more than the cost of the project.

   Those mentioned above are one of the advocacies of my dad,na gusto kong supportahan.

   we just lost at the supreme court,because of technicalities, and will no longer ask for a reconsideration, we will just do our best to moderate the greed.

   http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2007/feb2007/gr_167919_2007.html

   G.R. No. 167919 February 14, 2007

   PLARIDEL M. ABAYA, COMMODORE PLARIDEL C. GARCIA (retired) and PMA �59 FOUNDATION, INC., rep. by its President, COMMODORE CARLOS L. AGUSTIN (retired), Petitioners,
   vs.
   HON. SECRETARY HERMOGENES E. EBDANE, JR., in his capacity as Secretary of the DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS and HIGHWAYS, HON. SECRETARY EMILIA T. BONCODIN, in her capacity as Secretary of the DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET and MANAGEMENT, HON. SECRETARY CESAR V. PURISIMA, in his capacity as Secretary of the DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, HON. TREASURER NORMA L. LASALA, in her capacity as Treasurer of the Bureau of Treasury, and CHINA ROAD and BRIDGE CORPORATION, Respondents.

   note that the main petitioner is the author of the procurement law.
   The garcia mentioned next to him with the same first name is related to me.

   Now on the second advocacy of my dad, to reform the military.

   He suggested stuff,that were frowned upon,like reducing the number of generals,submitting all their bank books to the anti money laundering body or to the ombudsman or the pagc for an instant lifestyle check.

   Naalala ko lang yon dahil sa delapaz issue,at he made the dare during the Garcia case,in which I am quite glad na di ako related sa kanya.

   Ang sarap sana supportahan ni Mirriam dun pero ang motivation nya ay ang galit nya kay PUno dahil tinulungan manalo si Ramos, but we will still play it by ear.

   So far palso lahat ng advocaies like that abaya vs ebdane being dismissed,and with the number of generals still the same,and with no miltary officer even dared submitting his bank book for a lifestyle check.I failed to mention his pet project: the AFP modernization,palso din.

   But as Benign0 says pinoys should not be afraid to fail. Minsan nakakalito na din si Benigs dahil sinasabi din nya that we are complete failures,but I know which road to take even if all roads lead to……

8. Karl Garcia on October 25th, 2008 11:16 am

   I ahve mentioned to Ding that there should be no chacha before 2010, so we can charge GMA,et al, eventually and let her have her time in court and the HPOS if not running for congress,or mayor or baranggay captain will be willing to defend her.

   I just read his blog last night. He loves talking to himself,like on how he lambasted the opposing counsel without even ligting his slims. Ang sarap daw sana mag practice as a private counsel dahil he could easily have millions.How I love his way of enducing sleep,maybe his laptop became his pillow after blogging that.

   But there re continuing problems like juteng.
   There is something to consider that that money came form jueteng moiney.
   What about the other things that requires a lord other than a landlord. Money laundering can come form drug lords,smuggling lords,at iba pang lords.

   we want to reform our elections by automating it,overhauling personnel, giving it enough budget,madami pang kailangan ayusin para sa mga perrenial problems.

   I am glad that I see ideal bloggers more than ten years my junior and notice this problems of the current admin,but we also have to think about the perrenial stuff that needs collective action.

   I remember that piece by benj,about helplessness and he was admonished that he has not seen anything yet, and I agree.

   I like it that Marck engaged in a debate with someone more than ten years his senior and kahit di natapos yon,but I still have to say that Marck aint seen nothin yet.

   Marck, what happened dun sa pinag usapan nating advocacy mo na itutuloy mo offline?

   Ako I aint seen it all even if I am as old as th HPOS kaya nagtataka ako kung umasta na prang ang gurang na ya eh.Imagine calling allof us padwans
   and calling himself an Overman, hey are you from Krypton?
   I think I am wrong to assume that you are an ASOL gen, I checked the database for the current ASG and cross referenced it to the database of Ateneo Law graduates. Those ateneo law graduates in the ASG are way past 37. Maybe nagpapabata ka, or maybe you are a former chair of the appropriations committee and a budget secretary. Ateneo law din kasi sya pero I think he is older than I am dahil he was batch 87 nung hS sya. ako batch 88 and most of my batchmates are older than me, Unless you are like cvj who finished HS at fifteen?

   what I did was a mortal sin in benign0’s book: speculating on personal circumstances,and if HPOs will echo him,he will tell me to.

   KEEP ON GUESSING.

   I am over it,i willl no longer try to find out who this hpos is,kahit me isa pa akong paraan.

9. Karl Garcia on October 25th, 2008 11:46 am

   Sad to say that what HPoS and Liam manifests is a common mindset among those in government, i.e. that they should be held to a different standard. It’s a combination of an attitude of paternalism and elitism which gives them such a sense of entitlement. Over at Manolo’s, i had a discussion with Rob Ramos, who is affiliated with the Liberal party and is btw also an Atenean, where he explained the concept of an information elite, and how the end justifies the means.

   .

   Liam, I do not know if Jess Dureza is your direct boss,but since you both came from Davao,I think you should be aware of this case back in 93 kahit na nasa high school ka pa lang siguro nito. I don’t know your age but saying you quitlaw school and proceeded with a masteral degree of economics makes you past your mid twenties,so maybe you were still at the elementary level back then.

   http://www.duckyparedes.com/archives/Malaya_Archive/1995/1995.03.14.Malaya.doc

   the significance of the 1993 rape and murder of Charmaine Palo, who was 17 and a high school student is lost to us.
   Kirat Balbuena, a bodyguard of Rep. Jesus Dureza, of the First District of Davao City is the prime suspect. Balbuena had been issued by Dureza’s office a motorcycle, a two-way radio and a .45 caliber pistol, all of which he used in abducting Charmaine. He forcibly took Charmaine who was then with her boyfriend, Tommy Lai. Later, she was found raped, shot and abandoned in an isolated spot along a diversion road within Davao city limits. Balbuena has refused to say why he took Charmaine from Tommy Lai at gunpoint or what he did withe her.
   The Davao media guess that Dureza’s son “Jay-Jay, Jr.” is somewhat involved after they established that the boy was a suitor of Charmaine. Why else would his father’s bodyguard, using a gun, a radio and a motorcycle issued by the congressman’s office, abduct the girl? Congressman Dureza, meanwhile, asked the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) for a lie detector test (which Jay-Jay, Jr. passed) and a paraffin test (which came up negative for gunpowder traces).
   Kirat Balbuena was arrested soon after the crime but last November came up with the P100,000 needed for the bail and was released over the protests of Mrs. Emma Palo, the mother of Charmaine. In fact, she questions who paid the bail since Balbuena is only a casual employee of the city government detailed to Dureza’s office. Obviously, Balbuena did not have P 100,000; so, who footed the bill, she asks thr congressman.
   Since Kirat was granted his bail, each of the Regional Trial Court (RTC) judges to whom the case was raffled have refused to hear it, citing all sorts of incredible reasons. Some, who have not even yet been given the case, have also already inhibited themselves.
   Emma Palo has gone to the Court of Appeals citing the fact that Antonio Sanchez, a town mayor, was in jail, and was denied bail, while awaiting trial while Kirat, a congressman’s close-in security, has been granted bail.
   Finding no justice in the courts, Emma Palo has decided to contest the congressional seat of Dureza. She promises to “tell all” in the campaign which is being supported actively by a lot of women’s organizations and NGOs. Their campagn focuses on abusive bodyguards and security aides of politicians.

   So the bodyguard was the fall guy,and his son went fllying to the US,and maybe already back here with the same poker face that his father is displaying na parang walang nagyari.

   even though csi tells us that after a few days a paraffin test would be almost useless,I will still give him the benefit of the doubt. That lie detector thing which he passed is not admissible in court,but why did he leave for the US and why did Duterte (even though not mentioned in the article I linked to) tried to stop the young Dureza from leaving? As they say flight means guilt.

   So much for our perrenial problems.
   I sounded like Mirriam blaberring about a thing that happened more than fifteen years ago.

   HPOS can blabber all he want about conspiracy theorists and destabilizers.

   What is there to destabilize?

10. Karl Garcia on October 25th, 2008 11:49 am

    I forgot to block quote.
    this should be the last sentence of the article:

    Their campagn focuses on abusive bodyguards and security aides of politicians.

11. cvj on October 25th, 2008 4:31 pm

    Well, paternalism, elitism and entitlement typically leads to a whole stinking pile of argumentum ad vericundiam. It has nowhere to go. - Jon Limjap

    Except when a class of people adopt it, as many in the Middle Class have, in justifying their attitudes towards the poor majority. Then, it becomes a tool of class warfare.

12. The Jester-in-Exile on October 26th, 2008 12:15 am

    the guvmint folks quiet — why?

13. Ding G. Gagelonia on October 28th, 2008 6:43 am

    Karl,

    Don’t fret. In due time, given HPoS’ propensity for self promotion, you will know soon enough. BTW he’s NOT with the OSG as earlier speculated but within bulong distance.

    Hint: Why do we sometime sense that he is restating arguments before an en banc session of the Supreme Court.

    BTWM here’s a bit of news: SG Agnes Devanadera is tipped to fill one of the upcoming vacancies in the SC. Talk about the dice getting more loaded.

    And in fairness to that commenter, he has a soft heart for underprivileged children

14. Karl Garcia on October 28th, 2008 5:43 pm

    OIC,Ding.
    HPOS pagpatuloy mo yan(having a soft heart ) .

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