GMA’s Term To Be Extended 10 Years?
Written on Monday, October 20th, 2008 at 7:05 am | by Ding G. GageloniaSmoke has beaten us to it but in thoroughly elegant fashion: exposing the assertion by an avowed Malacanang functionary that the cha-cha train will extend GMA’s term by ten years.
Surfacing here at FV several days ago, the commenter has been deriding several FV members, this writer included, for our critical views about the MoA-AD.
In his own little corner in the world wide web that commenter has gone out on a limb to ‘reveal’ Cha-cha’s ultimate goal
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Will that mean we have to ‘Wait for 2020′?
(On the above, i predict Benign0 will say ’so what’.)
High Priest is the mole on our funny bone.
Like most fascists, his bark is worse than his bite.
I can’t wait for more of his ululations. Awoooooh!
Let’s see how this plays out and how far this supposed ‘High Priest’ can go before he/she is unmasked or blown out of the water.
(Yup, cvj. Benign0 will probably say that. Bur in his case, at least you can be sure the Filpino spirit lives. I myself mat not always agree with the other members of this collective, but being here is most fulfilling. Back to the post, okay?)
Ding, that was about the post. Just to spell it out more directly, without the tacit support of the larger portion of the middle class, Highpriest would, as DJB says, be just ‘a mole on our funny bone’, instead of being the incumbent.
Ding,
We should rejoice when we find bloggers either worth emulating or “blowing out of the water.” Both kinds worth spending any time on are actually few and far between, as the sparseness of the A-List proves.
There is nothing to being outrageous and making other people mad with provocative statements. But it really takes a lot of hard work and mental stamina to last beyond more than a few comments and a blog post or two.
It takes a lot of talent to become a true Curmudgeon!
Sometimes the bad guys can co-opt a really good idea. Cha-cha per se isn’t evil. I really think this republic needs to take a hard look at itself. Anti-Cha-cha isn’t about Charter Change at all— but how it could be used as a Vector for self interest.
Like the Financial Crisis, ours is a crisis of confidence and trust.
=)) Dean.
Ditto, sir. Naunahan ako ni cocoy. You guys read Smoke’s take yet? A must.
I thought FV is for healthy discourses, either which sides one belongs, to hear discreet views, whereupon readers, like me, can anchor judgments of how this ineffective, let alone a failure, “nation” you impose upon others should be rebuilt where even ordinary voices find their places in decision-making.
My comment in here, with due respect to some, is that most FV bloggers usually “gets smokes in their heads” when they perceive commenters do not tread their lines of thinking, lose rationality and instead make fund of these “outsiders.”
That is not fair, you don’t own all opinions, can’t prevent others to opine otherwise, you don’t have the monopoly of excellent and time-tested views, others too.
i don’t know, but i have a gut feeling this highpriest is not what he says he is but is actually
an anti-gma having some laughs while pulling your leg.
Bencard,
Every blog gets its share of hecklers.
Danilo,
High Priest is probably a flash in the pan. But I’d like to think we DO welcome all comers, even those giddily discovering the joys and freedoms of blogging. But it isnt so different from ordinary society except that here we ARE all equal and the currency of the realm is good ideas well expressed. We can’t help the juvenile delinquents very much, except by example.
Dan,
The day FV becomes a choir is when it will begin losing its readers and failing in its mission.
Atty. Bencard,
Interesting that you raise that possibility about about HP. Was starting to entertain the thought that his monicker betrayed his own estimation that this nation is in the hands of cultists and mafia bosses.
Mr. Dan,
The reason why we decided to partake in discussions in this site is simple–these are treasonous destabilizers that try to obfuscate reasoning.
Mr. Bencard,
I hate to say it, but Bencard, it is time for the silent majority to speak out against this tirades against PGMA. Noteworthy are your thoughts and posts, yet, you are being pictured here as a blind follower of Madame president. I am so frank, I know. But, let’s put aside modesty and be candor for a change. Call a spade a spade.
Those things which you tried to say, we will say and write about it. If FV is what it tells the people it is, that it is a site that welcomes dissent, then, it’s time to prove it.
Mr. Gagelonia,
This country is not in the “hands of cultists and mafia bosses”. Quite the contrary, this is the only administration that tries to pursue democratic ideals which you disdain.
History will definitely prove us right. Those of you who tried to destabilize this beautiful country will see the purity of our actions in the future. For now, let’s give the Filipino People a chance to see who’s thinking is better–you and your friend mr. djb or the righteous path which promotes stability and order in this society.
Oh brother.
But to his credit, history does has ample examples of a totalitarian ruler being embraced by the people especially after an economic crisis. Let’s not forget, Hitler was democratically elected.
does have, i meant.
High Priest,
Welcome to Filipino Voices. You’ve made your presence felt with brio and chest thumping. That’s okay. But blogging is actually meant to be a largely cerebral experience. I hope you will bring to the table reasoning and argument worthy of your brio. Naturally we are wondering what sort of bird has landed in our midst, mysteriously claiming certain connections and influence with the President. But authority counts for nothing around here, and certainly not threats and insinuations.
Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is no big mystery. Even the US Congress is about to suspend Millennium Challenge aid because of CORRUPTION in her administration. You are of course free to defend her, but hopefully this defense will be of a substantial, and not merely of an hilarious nature.
Tell us something new. Give us something clever. Be creative and not just pusillanimous. I know anonymity is a comfortable hiding hole for cowards and scoundrels, but I doubt you are a soundrel…
I have the same gut feel as Bencard (at 11:27 am)who, after all, knows from whereof he speaks.
High Priest,
It would be grievously disappointing if you are nothing but a paid hack instead of a person honestly expressing his or her earnest opinion, because then we shall learn nothing from our disagreements.
“…this is the only administration that tries to pursue democratic ideals which you disdain.”
Will have to think about that while I puke.
hmmm… i suggest let him go. if he’s a paid hack or what, he’s still has an opinion and he still has beliefs, and he’s entitled to them.
@highpriestofsmokes: Hi! I’m a destabilizing iconoclastic nihilistic anarchist, in case you were wondering. If FV has room for me, then it definitely has room for you.
Anyway, what is it that you want to happen, really?
@Marocharim
He want’s to be the localized version of Captain America, the defender of the State. And in the context of Gloria’s Labandera nation, he’s weilding a palo-palo, instead of a shield.
Peace, HP!
Mr. Liling,
Your ad hominems are juvenile emissions from a polluted mind.
Mr. marocharim,
Is it a sin to love the law and abide by it? I’ve been practising law since 1998 and I loved every minute of it. I don’t have any nihilistic bone in my body except my love for democracy.
Those of you who want disorder may want to re-read your Logic books before you write.
As for Mr. djb,
Have I threatened you in any way? No. I’m just writing from experience. As for the charge of corruption, can you give me any administration who did’nt dabble with it? Besides, PGMA has already allotted funds for the anti-corrupt campaign. And in my office, we report cases to her. She always has an attentive ear.
@highpriestofsmokes:
i’m not saying it’s a sin. i’m just saying you’re entitled to your opinion, and i was just asking. i don’t think there’s anything wrong with asking that, with all due respect. and mind if i asked: what logic book? are we talking wittgenstein, a.j. ayer, or aristotle?
and please, don’t call me mister, sir. it kind of makes me feel old.
Sometimes, or most of the times, there are a lot of learning in disagreement as much as in agreement. Yet what refines men’s discourse in the context of diverse opinions is when they agree to disagree in a civilized, therefore human way.
On the other hand, what an achievement when FV becomes a choir, but without losing readers and without failing from its mission, because it has motivated everyone regardless of parties, sides, affiliations, etc., towards a common ground to pursue. I think such could be the ultimate mission FV should have.
With due respect to lawyers like HP here, Barack caught me when he writes, “I wish the country (America) had fewer lawyers and more engineers.”
Why? Because nothing is done but many is spent while time lapses in vain when everybody’s engaged in “lawyer talks.” Unfortunately, even engineers here in the Philippines engage in such talks!
It’s good to talk, anyway when such talks amount to something tangible for the common good.
okey, marocharim.
whatever philo books you may fancy. Over at the Ateneo, we usually use not of Wittgenstein, for seriously, Wittgenstein is not known as a serious logician.
Atenista pala si highpriest. That explains a lot.
Mr. Dan,
I’ve read that you’re a Moro? Why is it that your name sounds Christian? Anyway, I hate to say it, but, if you want a separate and independent Moro state, you need lawyers. I’m friends with Mr. Mastura and he knows where I’m coming from.
As for the common good, yes, I’m all for it. That’s why I decided to give some of my time to deconstruct the destabilizing statements of mr. djb here. For I feel that it’s time to write about the true state of government.
whatever we think about PGMA, the fact is, she’s a hard-working president. For the past years that I’ve worked closely with her, one thing I admire—she has a true heart for the welfare of many and she’s a workaholic. She wakes up at 4 in the morning and we need to keep pace with her. I give her reports and she reads them. And you know what time she goes to bed? nearly 12midnight.
we have a hard-worker of a president, and it pains us here to hear and read comments against Madame. You don’t know how serious and how committed PGMA is.
Yeah HP, that post of mine goes to lawyers who do not behave like good, let alone true, lawyers; as well as those who behave like lawyers, though they are not, and they should not. Good lawyers, i mean those who are concerned not just on the rule of the law but more importantly the promotion of common justice out of the operation of that law.
Juvenile emissions from a polluted mind? Whew. For a while there, I thought you called me stupid. Oh wait.
Welcome to FV and please enjoy the company here. I am.
@HP 2:37pm
Err… Ding, matagal ka pa sa banyo?
Anyway, what is it that you want to happen, really?
Mr HP has been quite forthright, Marocharim. He wants to extend the term of President Arroyo so that “they” can continue what they started: create a society that promotes oligarchies. A new fascism, which I gather isnt a bad word to Mr. HP.
I am looking forward to Mr HP’s defense of oligarchies. Should be interesting.
Mickey,
Sorry mahirap kapag bumabaligtad ang sikmura tuwing nakababasa ng katutaan. Seriously I’ve been letting you guys go at each other given a pretending advocate of democracy is calling us names. Have not read any explanation on the ‘announcement’ that GMA’s term extension will run all of 10 years from 2010. Balik muna ako sa banyo.
BTW,
I’ve found out the true identity of you know who. Abangan.
HP with due respect again, but i should take this very rare opportunity to course through you the popular call for PGMA to end human sufferings here in Central Mindanao, particularly here in the provinces of ARMM and Cotabato; to value human lives both of the military and the MILF, more so of the civilians by ending the war once and for all and help build instead trust and confidence between and among them.
Indeed, these have been unworthy lost of precious lives, damage to farms and properties, sacrifice of human security, further breeding of mutual hatred and distrust, etc.
Will she listen to you too in this respect? Pray help our people here even in your simple means there.
I’ve found out the true identity of you know who. Abangan.
Ding, just my opinion, but we have to respect Mr. HP’s right to anonymity. I think you can ‘out’ him only if he consents.
hey, i think the high priest of smokes is a fun addition to this little kaffeeklatsch.
i’ve already gotten myself pizza and beer.
Jeg,
Yes of course naman. Am waiting simply for greater honesty on the other side given his propensity to brag, dribbling out his supposed experience, closeness to the powers and his other ‘credentials’ as he venomously belittles those who hold a contrary view to his. and his avowed master/s. Give and take, right?
I agree with Djb here that anonymity is just for cowards. Jeg, whoever this “HP” here, the fact is this: we should expose this government official’s views instead of resorting to name-calling.
as I wrote in my entry today over at new philippine revolution, we must not let these fascists in barong pollute our minds with crazy, nihilistic ideas (to borrow from Marck). Yes, we hate his guts. Yes, we hate his or her views. But, the fact of the matter is–it’s his right to be a fascist or a nihilist, right?
And the only way we can defeat a fascist such as this one is defeat the very belief he has with a better idea.
..or better yet, sharpen the knives of our guillotine, hehehehe!
Our current form of democracy says that whoever’s the president should step down after their 6 year term, never to run again. A term extension would be, on standards based on the history of our nation, undemocratic.
Never again.
Jon,
I second Jon.
By the way, I dare this High Priest of Smokes to give his own take why he or she thinks that his/her benefactor, this devil enfant, deserves another shot at governance? I dare you, if you’re really a lawyer, to defend this. Can you quote any provision in the Constitution that allows a term extension?
You know what, guys, the dynamics of this thread is starting to resemble that of Ellenville.
Though I’ve been vicious in my attack against Danilo’s views in another thread, I must say that I think he is spot on in his observation here:
One thing HPS managed to achieve here is galvanise FV authors into some kind of mob. Having been myself a heckler and, later, an evictee in Ellenville, I can surely say that sometimes an outsider’s point of view highlights how much of blinkered insiders we can potentially become.
This thread is disturbingly peppered with things I’ve observed in the past that I never thought I’d come across in this kind of concentration (i.e. all in one thread) in FV:
- Credentialism
- Speculation on personal circumstances
- Ad hominem argumentum
- Tito Vic and Joey humour
Stidi lang kayo diyan. I may come across as mayabang to a lot, but one thing I do is stay rooted in my outsider mentality lest I become to comfy with groups that exhibit potential to become a hotbed of inbred thinking.
That ‘mob dynamic’ doesn’t apply to me Benign0. As i recommended to Ding above (at 7:22 am), it would have been more useful to pick on you.
it’s called the crucible of debate.
as i said awhile back, highpriestofsmokes is more than welcome to blog or post his views. nobody’s preventing him from doing so. i’m just a curious kid:
what’s the motive HP?
It’s a Poe.
So Ding, why am I being moderated. You didn’t publish two of my comments.
BTW, has anyone thought that he is just an anti-GMA provocateur?
Well, this has been most entertaining. That’s all I got from this thread — which isn’t bad. But not what I expect from my usual visit to FV.
On the other hand, I find it refreshing that commenters aren’t at each other’s throats.
cvj, thanks. let’s just say, i’ve wised up to your and your kind’s childish shenanigans.
highpriest, sorry if i expressed doubt about your authenticity. it’s just that your “revelation” about a plot to extend gma’s term for 10 years has a familiar ring to it and usually comes from the oust-gloria-now-na crowd.
For God’s sake, this guy… what’s the term is an agent provocateur on the ANTI-GMA side. If he is pro-GMA. he won’t be this obvious. Oligarchy? Yeah, I see that prospering for a couple years then someone from the military decides to just do away with all these non-native oligarchs. Martial was different. The military then was in awe of Marcos (as someone from Inquirer wrote) and Marcos did their egos a favor by coming after old money and replacing them with new chronies, including people in the military.
MY GOD! GMA has a religion!…
“Mr. Gagelonia,
This country is not in the “hands of cultists and mafia bosses”. Quite the contrary, this is the only administration that tries to pursue democratic ideals which you disdain.
History will definitely prove us right. Those of you who tried to destabilize this beautiful country will see the purity of our actions in the future. For now, let’s give the Filipino People a chance to see who’s thinking is better–you and your friend mr. djb or the righteous path which promotes stability and order in this society.”
Agree with bencard. You don’t have to explain this to Americans but you have to with Filipinos, unfortunately. The freedom of speech given to individuals (not institutions, or groups or families) is given purely. It is not given with some purpose in mind. It may be good, it may be bad but what is most assuredly good is that freedom itself be given and what is most assuredly bad is that it is taken away…
The comments are just as important and even more so as the posts themselves. On that note, I just want to repeat… I have been moderated by someone a few days ago. I neither used profanities or posted links. I posted three separate comments and none made it.
BrianB, your comments have been recovered. It was caught by “Akismet” which checks for spam. I apologize for this.
Comments are never deleted here…
thehighpriestofsmokes on October 20th, 2008 2:27 pm wrote:
…Over at the Ateneo… ===> LMAO. Oops sorry I couldn’t help it. Anyways, LMAO.
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thehighpriestofsmokes on October 20th, 2008 2:37 pm wrote
whatever we think about PGMA…..For the past years that I’ve worked closely with her, one thing I admire—she has a true heart for the welfare of many and she’s a workaholic… ===> uhm…still LMAO
She wakes up at 4 in the morning and we need to keep pace with her. ===> WTF, you live with her?
I give her reports and she reads them. And you know what time she goes to bed? nearly 12midnight. ===> What, so you’re like a PSG who keeps track of the time she goes to bed? Oh granting that I believe you make reports for her, what kind of reports? Reports you shouldn’t be bragging about in public? Reports are made by us.
I think this guy is either loonybin or has a serious case of illusions of grandeur. *kthnxbai*
HSP is for the extension of Gloria’s term for, what, 10 years? Why, if he’s really dying to stamp Gloria’s ass in the Palace to kingdom come, why not 20 years instead of 10? Or 30, if not close to a lifetime?
If HSP really thinks that–warts and all–this damn president is so effing good and hardworking, why not keep her up there til she dies?
Like projectile motion. You want to aim for your target, aim HIGHER!
I once visited Ferdinand Marcos at his final resting place in Sarrat (or Burat, or Turat, I forget). You enter this dark air conditioned room, see, with Wagner’s [sic!] stentorian music in the background, and Da Apo floating on a bed of green light in a gold coffin. You know, his loyalists claim to still give him a shave every now and then, believing his facial hair is still growing.
But as the old song goes, the road to freedom is long and hard. Compared to the struggles of people in Philippine History, this lil blog is just a picnic in the park.
But it won’t be littered by the corpses of fallen heroes or idiotic loyalists.
However, it’s definitely a meat grinder for bad ideas, erroneous logic, and personal vanity. Braggarts, cry babies, pretenders, trolls and dissimulators beware.
Let’s everyone remember the motto for FV:
ANG PIKON, TALO!
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come now, fellas, what’s wrong with discussing HPS’ view? i for one want to extend the fellow an invitation to contribute to FV.
groupthink = evil. let’s give the man space to have his say.
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